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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we begin with nbc news exclusive
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reporting, a biden administration official has told members of congress that ukraine has the military capability to re-take crimea. and that's causing concern. two senior officials tell nbc news that if ukraine were to take on any large scale offensive that threatens russia's hold on that peninsula, there are worries it could push vladimir putin toward using a nuclear weapon. this morning, another barrage of russian missiles hit ukraine, explosions were reported in at least four cities. kyiv's military administration is calling it one of the biggest missile attacks the country has seen since february. 76 missiles in total, according to ukraine's commander in chief, of the armed forces. in central ukraine, at least three people died in strikes on residential targets. dozens of others are injured. in kharkiv, where temperatures hover at freezing, there is no electricity and no water.
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where 40 of the 76 missiles were aimed, residents are riding it out in the underground. nbc news correspondent ellison barber has more. >> kyiv's military administration says this city withstood one of the biggest missile attacks since the beginning of the full scale invasion. air-raid sirens started going off around 8:00 a.m. local time. it sent thousands of ukrainians in this city, and others, underground, sheltering for safety. listen. >> i wake up, and go to work, and you see all of the panic around here, and around with what has happened. it's kind of making you scared. you wouldn't even be able to make a peaceful life. >> we have a life, i still have a home. >> there are other people -- >> i mean there are other people a lot worse. i have a lot of friends who no
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longer have houses. it is really unpredictable. >> the armed forces of ukraine says overall russia fired 76 missiles at ukraine. they say 60 of those were intercepted. some of the ones that were not intercepted hit critical energy infrastructure as well as residential areas. in the southern city, a missile slam nad a residential building there. local officials say at least three people are dead. there are report of blackouts in at least five different regions right now, including here in kyiv. back to you. >> ellison barber, thank you very much. and joining us now is nbc news correspondent courtney kube. get us up to date on this exclusive reporting by nbc about the concerns if ukraine was going to try to overtake, re-take crimea? >> we should say that these concerns are a longer term concern. there's no indication right now that ukraine is headed toward crimea. in fact, on the contrary they're really dug in, in the south, in the kherson area, where the russians are, with the defensive
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position, dug into trenches and sort inform a stalemate position. you can see there on the map, up to the northeast side, up towards luhansk, there is an area called bakhmut, where the ukrainians have made some slow progress. a tough day to day fight. and there is no indication that the ukrainians are about to undertake any sort of large scale military offensive against crimea. the officials say it is in the back of their minds right now. they are concerned about what to do when it gets to that point. the ukrainians they say have the equipment, and they have shown the will all along to take on the extremely tough fights, and in many cases, to win, to prevail over the russian military. so the u.s. officials we spoke with are concerned that this could be the emotional issue for vladimir putin that could ultimately make him feel like he's backed into a corner. we've been hearing about this all along. concerns that putin may feel backed in a corner, how he could react, and the concern here is
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that it could be with a dirty bomb or maybe even a rodeo tactical nuclear weapon, if he feels his hold on the occupied area of crimea is in any kind of jeopardy. again, there is no indication that it happens any time soon. but the officials we spoke with said it is something they're discussing. >> do we know anything about the current u.s. assessment of vladimir putin, of his hold on the country, an his position of power, but also his mental state. >> so that has been a question all along. i mean even before the invasion, the u.s. officials say that they just don't know. there are all kinds of stories out, the potentials of health issues or some sort of problems with his mental state, but the reality is, we ask all the time, and officials just aren't sure, there are some indications that vladimir putin may be getting some better information or intelligence about what actually is happening on the ground, but that's also another thing that u.s. officials are not confident on. i think the one thing that people are really watching right now is this back and forth over the patriot missile defense
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system that the u.s. is now saying, not on the record yet, not officially, no confirmation, or no announcement that has been made, saying that the u.s. is going to provide one of these systems to ukraine. the russians have said that this is one of those lines that they see as provocative or escalatory. and they have threatened consequences. i think the question here is, will we actually see those consequences materialize? will it have any kind of an impact on the u.s. to send this system. today is a good indication why ukraine needs something like a patriot missile defense system, when we saw this barrage of missiles come in. the ukrainians were able to shoot a bunch of them down, but some did have an impact and they have an impact with a very deadly consequence in some cases. >> president biden was asked about this a couple of minutes ago, and he said, you'll hear in a few minutes. do we know what he means by that? >> we don't, katy. we asked the question, he doesn't have anything planned, any events he's supposed to be
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speaking at in the coming minutes and that's what we're asking and not expecting an official announcement on the patriots today but we will keep asking the question and let you know if we hear anything different. >> courtney kube, thank you very much. last night the senate passed a record $858 billion defense authorization act. which would grant ukraine another $800 million in additional security assistance next year. it also provides the pentagon more resources for its plan to train some 500 ukrainian troops a month at the u.s. base in germany. the bill is one of the last things on congress's to do list before their holiday break. but arguably, their biggest list is still to come. agreement on all the details in the must-pass omnibus spending bill which includes measures on some important issues for democrats, like the child tax credit, and marijuana reform. joining me now, punchbowl news co-founder john bresnahann.
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the omnibus bill, pushed back a little bit. what's the status? >> house and senate appropriators are working on an omnibus right now. this is going to be like a roughly $1.7 trillion package, it will fund the government through september 30th of next year, this is all fiscal year 2023. right now, the government is operating on a one week funding resolution that expires next friday. the next congress approved extension of it because it would have expired at the end of today. so they've got to get this omnibus funding package done. and this thing is going to be a couple thousand pages long. it's filled with hundreds of policy provisions. it's an extremely complex piece of legislation. we should see it probably monday. now, that is the hope, that you'll see it monday, and the house and senate leadership will drop this on monday, and then they'll work to try to get this
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through the senate first, and then the house, and try to finish this all by next friday, december 23rd. that's the hope anyway. >> so you gave us the top line number, 1.7 billion. what about -- >> trillion. >> trillion. >> i'm sorry, trillion. >> with a "t". >> what about the top line policies in it. do we know what they are? >> they're working on a lot. a lot of it, we know. i mean the house did a number of appropriations bills, the senate didn't pass any this year, and so they didn't work them out. we've got an idea that there's going to be a big, you talk about defense spending, there is going to be a big boost in defense spending, that's a huge issue with ukraine, that's a huge issue with taiwan, and there's going to be some money in there for that, and the u.s. needs to modernize its forces to deal with the rising threat from china, and russia, and we'll see additional funding for ukraine in there. probably in the area of somewhere between 35 to $40
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billion in economic and military aid for ukraine. so there's going to be a lot of that. now, this will include, you know, all of the funding for all of the federal agencies, defense and nondefense, for the rest of the year. so they're working that out. they're working out the policies on that. a lot of it will be a tin wation -- continuation of what we have in place this year extended another year with spending increases. >> this is last few weeks for democrats to control the house and the senate. is the child tax credit going to make it into this bill? >> no, not the enhanced child tax credit. that's not going to make it. there is an existing child tax credit, but what you're talking about is the enhanced child tax credit part of the american rescue plan, which really was an extremely effective poverty fighter. it lifted, you know, several million children out of poverty, but to do so, it's expensive, and it's an expensive provision,
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and democrats were not able to get it together last, earlier this year, with senator joe manchin, to keep that in place. republicans are objecting to this enhanced child tax credit extending forward permanently, you know, there is an existing credit in place, but what the democrats had hoped to do is to do this enhanced one, the enhanced provision, and the cost, it costs roughly $100 billion a year, and that's big money over a decades, a trillion, so republicans and some, and at least manchin, have objected to that. so it's not going to be in this package. >> what about the marijuana banking bill? >> again, this is something that has a lot of support. it's bipartisan support here. but it is not going to be in this also. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has a bunch of concerns about this. other senate republicans have concerns about this. there's been a lot of discussion about this. but this will not be included in the omnibus. i think we're going to see it next year. i think, you know, the
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republicans are taking over the house, but the top house republican on the banking committee who would deal with this issue, patrick mchenry of north carolina, we talked to him, and we actually had a story this morning in punchbowl news, he is not supporting the bill, but he won't stop it. so this may come back in 2023, but it will not be in the package that gets approved by congress next week. >> john bresnahan, thank you very much. tell your sources that you are on television and they should stop texting you for a couple of minutes. >> what the government released on the jfk assassination and what it is still holding back. who the fed might be protecting. and the final january 6th committee report is days away. what we know about who could be in legal jeopardy. first up though, twitter suspended journalists, including our next guest. now, the eu is threatening sanctions. what is elon musk risking? leon the second...
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the european union has threatened twitter with sanctions after the accounts of some high profile journalists were abruptly suspended. the reporters had been covering twitter and elon musk's acquisition of the platform, but according to musk, their accounts were banned after they posted his, quote, exact realtime location. musk maintains that he feared for his family's safety. nbc news has been unable to verify those allegations. eu commissioner called the suspensions worrying saying there are red lines and sanctions soon. joining me now is insider columnist lynette lopez and nicholas. lynette, you just got suspended. were you tweeting the realtime location? >> i was not tweeting elon's location. i was tweeting court documents from a lawsuit that he brought against one of my sources, where
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elon conspires to docs, critics, and where his security team admits that they hacked, harassed a source, including hacking his wife's email, looking at pictures of his kids, and i was putting up all of these documents because i was saying elon, he says he doesn't believe in doxing, or stalking, or hosting, let me tell you, this guy has done a lot of doxing and stalking and harassment in his career. >> do you have any explanation for why you were suspended? was there another person's information in there? anything that you could think of that might have triggered this? >> to be fair, i think that the court documents might have had elon's 2018 email. which is, this is a man who changes his email every couple of weeks. >> court documents -- >> no. who is to say.
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but i do know he didn't like it, i guess. these are things that have also been written about in the press, in the past. this is an old story. this is old information. the critic that he had doxed came out publicly and talked about it. my source who he sued and harassed has talked about it publicly. i was highlighting the fact that it is completely hypocritical for elon to say he doesn't want anybody posting his location but in reality he has harassed people in far worse ways. >> so some of these accounts, i haven't gone through everybody's account or seeing what they were posting but some were linking i think to elon's jet, which was tracking where his jet was, and he was claiming that that puts him in realtime risk, i guess, right? >> that seems weird, to have one that is all public information, and two, i don't know, maybe if a jet lands in los angeles, i'm not sure you would be able to go at that moment and find the exact people. there are so many holes in
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elon's story, as usual, that it's really hard to understand exactly where, what kernel of whatever really ticked him off. he will always have a million excuses for why he's the victim. but he owns twitter. he's the richest man in the world. he is not the victim. these people are just doing their job. >> and he owns twitter and he can do what he wants, regard alice of what he might have said in the past, but there are consequences potentially, and the eu is discussing some of them. nick, can you walk us through what sort of power the european union has to impose sanctions because elon musk is banning journalists? >> well, if you recall, just a couple of weeks ago, the eu's industry commissioner did threaten to ban twitter and said so in a conversation with elon musk, and it wasn't clear, he can confirm it again at a "politico" event, where he sat a couple of feet away from me, and he said absolutely, if you flout
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the eu's rules or the rules on privacy or the upcoming rules on content regulation, you will be banned in the eu, and he said, i actually invited, told elon that we could send a group of auditors to twitter to make sure that they're in compliance, and musk apparently agreed at that time. so, you know, the penalties in this case are big fines. there are existing rules, privacy rules, that carry potentially immense fines and then there are rules that have been not been enforced on content regulation, and that are coming online next year, and where twitter could face sanctions that the commissioner described. >> the country of germany has also said that they are disturbed by this, because they tweet information, official state information, and they feel like that the access of that information is important for journalists and they've also now said that they're thinking of pulling their handle, their
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information, their, you know, their using of twitter, and going to something like mastadon. >> that was the real shocker over here, that mastadon's account was suspended, and people raised other issues. you're essentially disappearing a competitor on twitter. if you recall, mastadon is a european social network that is something like twitter where a lot of people went, right after the acquisition, it's a competitor to twitter, it's a lot smaller but the fact that you would just disappear their account on twitter, it raises regulatory problems, and you know, it was germany, you mentioned germany, it wasn't just germany, there was france, there were, i've seen a number of people come out today, to express their dismay over the exclusion of journalists from twitter. you know, europe has a problem with authoritarian regimes. we've got one right here, and we
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have issues with persecution of journalists, where journalists are silenced and sidelined and that's why they have come up with some of the protections they're working on. and this is kind of a case in point, about what can happen when there's unfettered control over what should be a public space. >> elon's a complicated person. he does some pretty great things, and starlink access for ukraine, it has been essential. there's talk about getting it to iran, to help with the protests there, space-x, it's revolutionary. getting tesla out there, as popular as it is. it helps with climate change and the planet. but then you have this behavior on twitter, and i think it's hard for people to understand how to put elon in a box. like how do you twine him as a person, when you -- twine him as a person, when you have these two varying aspects of his
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personality? >> i mean i think he's a success in spite of himself, not because of himself. i do know that what is happening on twitter is going to be an issue for him financially. >> it already has been. >> yes. he is going to get fines. >> and he sold tesla stock. >> yes. so he is going to have issues. this is not going to be a free ride for him. it's not attractive for journalists who criticize you off your platform and it makes you look thin-skinned, small, petty, and that is my experience with musk, and i think a lot of people have had the same experience now, too. >> we will take a break and get you some water. i know the position you're in and i've been in it before. and nick, if you could expand on that. there is a war going on in ukraine right now and star link has been so essential for ukrainian, how is he seen as a
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figure across europe? >> i think it's the mixed picture that you just described, that the ukrainian armed forces are dependent on this, they've been dependent, it was a service that was provided to them, and when the first controversies emerged, those fighters who are literally, you know, fighting for their lives and fighting for their country and possible position, they said whatever it is, elon, we want your continued support. and we don't want to end up a victim of some kind of culture war that's taking place in the united states. i think the view of elon musk and europe is probably less favorable than in the united states. this isn't a place that idolizes or worships entrepreneurs in the same way that they can be in the u.s. and there is a lot of skepticism towards big tech. and these sort of arbitrary, the arbitrary use of power.
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and i think now i would say that with this decision and with some of the other things we've seen on twitter, there is definitely an adversarial relationship that's been set up, with some of the top officials in the eu. >> thank you very much for joining us. let us know what happens to your account. >> you never know. >> if it gets reinstated or if you go somewhere else. >> i'll be back here to talk about it. >> thank you both. coming up, the government released 98% of all documents related to the killing of president john f. kennedy. 60 years later though, why are they still holding some of those documents back? first though, the january 6th committee is ready to vote on criminal referrals. who are they considering? crimi. who are they considering
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final report and for what happens monday and then for what happens on wednesday. have you gotten any idea, any preview from the committee? >> reporter: we know a little, katy. first of all, monday is technically a business meeting, not a hearing and i point it out because it shows aus little bit of the structure. it is not the same kind of highly programmed television spectacle that we saw with the hearings over the course of the summer. we're going to see a series of votes. we're going to hear from each of the members. they're going to lay out the elements of this report, and i think the maximum news value that we will get on monday is going to be these referrals, for the folks who are referred to the department of justice an donald trump's name is most lickly at the top of that list and to other referrals, how to they handle lawmakers who ignored the subpoenas and attorneys that ignored their subpoenas and folks they tangled with along the way. a big chunk of that is monday. and i think over the course of really all of next week,
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possibly up until possibly the new year, we will see the report get published both physically and online, the transcripts, the appendicies, kind of all of the work product that this committee has developed over the last 1 months or so, laid out in the days that followed. they're very much putting that work product together in a releasable form even as we speak. >> you say referrals. plural. you mentioned donald trump. you talked about the lawmakers that could get referrals for not showing up. if these referrals happen, do they have to go to a full house vote? and if so, what would be the time line on that? >> reporter: no, they don't. i mean this is, and it speaks to kind of the informal nature of these referrals, and there's nothing binding about a referral to the justice department, for example. it's essentially just pointing out the evidence that you have. so we'll see, you know, the referrals for d.o.j., and we'll see potentially the referrals to the ethics committee, and i think they're particularly interesting, and the house ethics committee operates largely on referrals and it is a
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perfectly evenly divided committee regardless of who is in control of the house and what happens to those referrals will be interesting. the one i have the least personal insight into is what is going to happen with state bar associations and the like for some of these attorneys, like rudy giuliani who may face professional discipline for their conduct. i think the other one that, you know, i'm watching and i'm not sure which category he might fall into, is john eastman, the attorney who worked with donald trump, who kind of came up with the theory behind january 6th, and the committee has argued in previous legal findings that they do think he broke the law. and there is evidence they produced that he thought his theories might break the law. do they refer him? if so, on what charges? that is a much more high level legal question than i'm prepared to answer right now. we'll find out coming up on monday. >> we have a legal guest coming up. >> oh, good. >> but the document they're going to release is, this going to be everything that they have? i know the incoming republican matter m&a jort has asked the
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committee to preserve everything. are they going to lay it all out at the same time or hold some of it back? >> reporter: it seems like they're going to. i think for two reasons. number one as you point out, there is the possibility if you hold something back and the incoming think they can use it against you, there could be the perception, you didn't release because it is unhelpful to you or goes against your narrative and at least in everything, look, this is our work product, our hands are clean, we're going home for christmas, thank you very much. the other part of it is, this committee ceases to exist in the new congress. republicans don't have to do anything to make that happen. it is the select committee. it was authorized just for this congress. and they're going to go away. and so they want to make sure that what they get out there, kind of really gets into the blood stream both in terms of how it is reported in the news media and how it is preserved into the future. in theory, house republicans could come in and turn off their website come january 4th. so there's any number of ways this can go. and the committee wants to get everything out into the open as much as possible in the short term they have remaining to them. >> garrett haake, thank you very
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much. and as promised, joining me now former federal prosecutor and political legal affairs columnist. thanks for joining us. let's pick up where garrett left it which is talking about what criminal referrals might come and what some of the charges are that they could be, and i'll first ask you about john eastman. >> i expect john eastman will be one of the names that that we are going to hear. and if i were going to posit what the potential criminal referral would refer to, i think it's really the fake electors scheme. one thing that federal prosecutors routinely charge is making false statements in the context of a federal proceeding and ultimately, what the false electors and the fake electors scheme involved was submitting documents to the united states senate that indicated that certain individuals, john doe, jane doe, were the true and correct electors of the state, and some of the people at times weren't even trump electors on the ballot.
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so i think there are definite false statements there. so i wouldn't be surprised. jeffrey clark, i think is one. >> what about state bar associations. garrett mentioned them. >> yes, so one thing that we saw, i think katy, was actually a fairly remarkable hearing this week, regarding rudy giuliani, and the bar associations often go after lawyers who you know, for example, steal money from their clients or they have let's say a drug abuse problem and won't show up in court. but here, you have someone who is abusing the legal system, which they take into account and taken to task by the dc bar and it looks like he could lose his bar license, i wouldn't be surprised if there is a referral there, and ultimately that in part would qualify. >> we have not seen what the d.o.j. has in terms of evidence against donald trump, what they're looking for, with the
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subpoenas, it gives us an idea, but we have seen a lot of evidence from the january 6th committee, and you have to imagine, there's going to be a fair amount of crossover there. what holes do you see in what the january 6th committee presented that might enable donald trump to avoid indictment for january 6th? >> well, i think one thing that is certainly missing, katy, is a connection, a strong connection between the individuals who are assaulting, violently assaulting the capitol and trump and his inner circle. in other words, there is a lot of evidence regarding the coordination and planning by the proud boys, the oath keepers and so forth, and there is also a lot of, you know, tweets and very questionable statements by trump. there are certainly statements that could arguably an incitement to violence and there is a command and control coordination there, and i think definitely on let's say a conspiracy, seditious conspiracy, i think they will have trouble making charges
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andrea mitchell. so why are they holding some back? >> well, the president says it is for national security reasons. there was a 1992 law that said that everything had to be released by 2017. first, donald trump postponed it. and then president biden said they are releasing everything except about 3%, 4,300 page, but it is mostly information about the cia and the fbi, and what has been released, but how close they were watching, tracking, had surveillance on lee harvey oswald, who was the assassin, in mexico city, just weeks before the terrible, you know, the terrible murder that took place in dallas, so a lot of critics are asking, what happened, and why after 59-plus years, can't you release everything? that's what the law said you were supposed to do. is this just to try to protect the cia and the fbi from embarrassment for failing to
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protect the president? and some of the questions, you know, as look more deeply into what was released. >> this morning, the biden administration is releasing more than 13,000 records tied to president john f. kennedy's assassination, for withholding thousands more, citing national security concerns. the documents revealed that lee harvey oswald, who said weeks earlier in mexico he wanted to kill kennedy. and closely tracked by both the cia and the fbi. >> why weren't these documents released years earlier? >> in 1963, if americans had seen this stuff, they might have said, you know, why do the fbi and the cia let our president be assassinated. >> one document shows that the cia intercepted a phone call oswald made to the soviet embassy in mexico city. weeks before the assassination. on a wire tap arranged with the help of mexico's president. >> why wasn't any of that information quickly passed on to washington, so the secret service could act to make sure
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that this man oswald wasn't a threat to the president of the united states? >> on that fateful day, the president and first lady, jacqueline kennedy, arrived in texas on a campaign swing. riding in the limo through downtown dallas, shots ringing from a third floor window. >> president kennedy died at approximately 1:00 central standard time. >> the warren commission concluded oswald acted alone. but over the decades, kennedy's assassination has spawned countless conspiracy theories. traumatizing movies like oliver stone's "jfk". >> why was kennedy killed? who benefitted? who has the power to cover it up? >> john kennedy's assassination sadly will never be fully solved. that was probably since the day that lee harvey oswald was killed in that police station in dallas. >> so andrea, it seems like the implication here, as you said at the top and how you expressed it in the piece, that the fbi and
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the cia that were just not doing their due diligence, and if that's the implication from the documents that we've already seen, i just wonder, how much worse could it possibly be in that 3% that was held back? >> well, that's what most of the historians and researchers want to know. these documents were all part of the national archives and all supposed be up and is this to cover up embarrassment and why didn't the fbi tell the secret service, that lee harvey oswald, who had said publicly he wanted to kill jfk just weeks earlier and was tracked, they were eavesdropping on him, why didn't they tell the secret service? >> i know the president is citing national security, but is there anyone that can say hey, listen, what is the national security issue here? there was a law passed in the 90s and this law has not been abided by? >> i don't know if there is any review. because the cia is reviewing the coming year, as to what might be
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unredacted. and it's really not in the interest of the agencies. they don't like to disclose things. and so transparency is not their motto. you know, they feel as if cooperating, and sources and methods could be compromised. some of the sources actually are still alive and there is a thought that they're waiting for people to die before they actually reveal. >> that's interesting. americans would argue that they certainly have a right to know what went wrong, all those years ago, 60 years ago now. >> the killing of an american president. >> exactly. andra , thank you very much. you can join me and andrea, alongside halle jackson, on monday, at noon eastern, for a special coverage of the january 6th committee's final meeting ahead of the release of their report. please do join us. and joining me now is jeff moorely, editor of jfk fact squad, and the author of "scorpions dance, the president,
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spymaster and watergate". >> good to have you. what is your reaction to getting these documents and not getting the rest? >> well, what's going on here, unfortunately, is a bit of a shell game. you know, if the cia makes a big claim about they put out all of these documents, but when we went in to look at them last night, we discovered that out of 30 documents that they claim had been released, only about 12 of them had actually been released. and 20 more had been released with many, many redactions in them. so the c.i.a.'s giving the illusion of transparency but not the substance of it. that's the first thing. the second thing is, the cia has long hidden, not just what happened with oswald in mexico city, but their interest in oswald over four years, and it was not just the mexico city station who knew about oswald, it was senior officials in washington who were informed about his travels, his politics, his personality, as late as october 10th, 1963. so you know, the cia has a big
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burden here. and their refusal to comply with the law, which was supposed to be implemented in 2017, five years ago, this is the fourth time they've blown the deadline in five years, you know, some people will say that's incompetence but other people are going to say, that's suspicious. and i think that the c.i.a.'s embarrassment is not just the possibility of incompetence but the fact that they were using oswald for negligence purposes. and that's what they can't come up with. that's what they can't admit now. because it's just too embarrassing. now, there is no national security problem with that. that's just an embarrassment of the cia. but this is the problem we face. you raised it before, who is the backstop? who is going to say let's end this charade. this is our history. it belongs to us. it doesn't belong to the cia. that's where we don't have anybody, we don't have any authority, to step in and say look, the cia has to stop this,
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and has to start obeying the law. >> can you find anything more in the documents about jack and his motivation other than the one that we came to understand and is there any more detail? >> there was no classified material, previously classified material about ruby and his case released yesterday, as far as we can tell. there is a lot of documents here. and we can't swear that we've seen everything. but that was one thing we looked for, and there's no obvious material in there. >> obviously the man who killed lee harvey oswald while he was in custody. jeff, thank you very much for joining us. it's a really interesting story. can't wait to see the rest of the documents. and the greatest player of all time will play his final world cup match this weekend. and he's facing the best player of the next generation. what to expect when france takes on argentina. on sunday. entina on sunday. meet leon the third... leon the second... and leon... the first of them all.
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who many see as the next goet, mbappe, joining me from doha, nbc news correspondent meagan fitzgerald. it is argentina versus france and if france does this again, if they win on sunday, it will be the second time in a row, which would be a pretty big deal, no? >> reporter: absolutely. and you know, i can tell you, the fans here are so excited. i mean this is the moment that everyone has been waiting for. first of all, it was who is going to make it to the finals and now who is going to win, and like you said, france trying to defend the world cup title, they won in 2018, led by mbappe and a pretty strong showing i would say on wednesday against morocco. morocco gave them a run for their money. that was a win they had to earn. it was 2-0, but a good-looking match. and france is saying they do have a couple of players on the team that are being isolated because they have a cold. but that they didn't play in the game on wednesday, and again, it
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certainly didn't look like they were struggling. but then on the other hand, you've got argentina. as you said, led by lionel messi. this is a guy like you said, arguably one of the best players in the game, who has practically every title there is in soccer except for one, and that's the world cup. and he'soing for it on sunday. you got to imagine his team is rallying behind him, wanting to give him that honor before it is all over for him. he will be witnessing history in many way, the last world cup for lionel messi, but the fans here are so excited and you know, we have to mention of course tomorrow, that's going to be the game against croatia and morocco. what a showing for morocco. the cinderella story of this entire tournament. they came out really strong this tournament. they tied with croatia, and then we saw the upset teams like spain, one of the teams that was favored to win it all. portugal, with cristiano ronaldo, walking off the pitch in tears. that was a win across africa.
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and certainly across the arab world. morocco didn't win against france but they certainly have a lot to be proud of and they will take on croatia tomorrow night. the big game on sunday, rjz versus france. >> it has been amazing. and if you haven't been watching world cup, maybe soccer is not your thing, i urge to you tune in saturday or sunday, because it has been a lot of fun to watch. this world cup has ended in spectacular fashion on repeated occasions. >> i'm so jealous you're. there i hope you have a good time this weekend. that is going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. y. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. until i finally found new downy rinse and refresh! it doesn't just cover odors, it helps remove them up to 3 times better than detergent alone! find new downy rinse & refresh in the fabric softener aisle.
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